Q8: I'm looking for the names of campgrounds around Lake Louise (Canada) that have showers. 

  1. Place: Dublin, Ireland
Date: June 11th 1998
Time: 3:00pm (local time)

Started search using Fusion

Query: Campgrounds Lake Louise Canada

Clicked on #6 "Lake Louise Parks Information"

    Lists one campground, doesn't state whether it has showers

  2. Place: Aberdeen, Scotland
Date:  12. June 1998
Time: 2:30PM (local time)

Found Lake Louise on search yahoo.
Found a url address.  clicked on this.
site for lodgings.
site for camping.
no information for regarding showers in campsites.

  3. Iowa City, Iowa, USA
8 hours for 10 queries over 2 afternoons

        o Submit Altavista the query: +campgrounds +Lake +Louise +Canada
          +shower
        o Altavista returned 41 hits. The second hit points to Banaff
          National Park Campgrounds
          (http://www.mistaya.com/banff_accommodations/hotels/bnpcampg.html).
        o Check that link. It contains a list of all the campgrounds around
          this area.
        o There is no campground with shower in Lake Louise, but there are
          other camping sites in the Banaff National Park that have showers

  4. Tokyo, Japan
June 12nd, 1998 Local time
By default, search on Altavista

   5:20 pm
   Query : lake louise canada campgrounds

   clicked on 1 :
                          1. See Alberta Campground Listing - Rockies
                                [URL:
seealberta.com/camp/lcamprockies.htm]
                          -> no result
   clicked on 2 :
                          2. Parks Canada - Banff National Park - Banff,
Alberta, Canada
                                [URL:
www.worldweb.com/parkscanada-banff/]
                          -> no result
   clicked on 3 :
                          3. Where to Stay - High River, Alberta, Canada

                                [URL:
www.discovercalgary.com/HighRiver/WheretoStay/]
                          -> no result

    by yahoo canada :
    -> no result (broken pipe)


  5. Ottawa, Canada

(4:20): query AltaVista -> lake louise travel information
seems to give plenty of interesting hits. Follow link to 
http://www.uwannawhat.com/Calgary/TravelTourism/TravMPLkLAccMap.html
Find a map of Lake Louise there, with campgrounds, but no details about
them. Back to Alta Vista results
(4:24): http://www.canadianrockies.net/index5.htm, follow link to Lake
Louise 'chapter', from there to 'accomodations' but this page
concentrates on hotels and B&B's. Further exploration of site does not
indicate success. Back to Alta Vista results.
(4:27): go to
http://citynet.excite.com/countries/canada/alberta/lake_louise/
and find links there, go to
http://www.vacations.com/Vacations/Pacific-nw/Banff/Editorial/ (first
glance says it's the wrong kind of information, but I'm not sure how to
word why that is).
(4:33): go to discoveryweb http://www.discoveryweb.com/banff/ - click on
to 
http://www.discoveryweb.com/banff/ll_dir.html - no shower-info.
Assume that Canadian National Parcs operates (or at least supervises)
campgrounds in the area, so follow link from discoveryweb to
http://www.worldweb.com/ParksCanada-Banff/ and then to 
http://www.worldweb.com/ParksCanada-Banff/campgrou.html (4:37).
Find that in Banff region the following campgrounds have showers: Tunnel
Mountain, Two Jack Lakeside and Johnston Canyon. These are all away from
Lake Louise, and the campgrounds near Lake Louise that are listed have
no showers.
(4:43): back to AltaVista, issue new/altered query ->
+"lake louise" travel information +campground +shower
The link to http://www.lakelouise.com/ll-lodging.shtml gives no
shower-info for the Lake Louise Campground.
The AltaVista link to http://www.trailmonkey.com/alberth1.htm reveals a
familiar table - at least it says the Lake Louise Campground has NO
showers.
(4:50): stop searching for now (have to go home).

  6. Using a custom front-end tool AltaGCL
Waterloo, 15 June 17:53

  altagcl "camp*" and "lake louise" and "shower" ... found Banff National
                      Park campsites

   http://www.canadianrockies.net/bnpcampg.html

   Now *I* thought that was good enough but I decided to search for a page
   specific to Lake Louise.

   altagcl "campgrouns" and "lake louise"  ... found

   http://granit.geo.uni-bonn.de/user/himmerkus/part_five.html

   but I don't think this is any better.  Found a number of pages that listed
   one or two lake louise campgrounds  but I still think the first was best.

Total time:  3 minutes for first answer, 10 or 15 more minutes wasted looking
     for more.

  7. Waterloo, Canada
Using a custom front-end tool AltaGCL
June 16, 01:02am

    query: "lake.louise" and "camp*"
    answer: http://www.canadianrockies.net/bnpcampg.html

    The time was mostly spent following links looking for more specific
    information about Lake Louise but I finally decided that the first
    link was the best.

    time: 5 minutes

  8.  
Using Fusion2 - a metasearch
engine with marking of relevant documents and query expansion.

Place: Dublin - home internet connection
Date: 15 June

Use Fusion2 meta-search engine query 

"lake louise" campground tent

31 URLs retrieved, load rank position=1 "Banff National Park Campground"
a large document, find "louise" takes me to the Lake Louise Campground,
but it has no showers.  Almost bingo !

Click on "Banff National Park - Accommodations & Lodgings" (ranked 5)
www.canadianrockies.net and I get the same info about LL campground, no showers.

I then try URL ranked 15 which is a hotwired.com rough guide to Canada pagebut nothing 
there

Then I load Mike Potters description of a trail (walk) mentioning Merlin Meadows
campsite, but does it have showers ?  I mark this as relevant, along with an
earlier URL about camping in canada, do "expand search" and add merlin meadows backcountry
to the search, then re-do the search.

This retrieves 19 URLs and I view rank=1, "where to stay in alberta" from
www.discoveralberta.com.  I jump to "campgrounds" then to "Banff" which is a listing
of campsites, and some have showers, but my local geography does not tell me how
close these are to the lake.

 then try 2 other URLs on this list, no luck

Then I jump to AltaVista and search +"lake louise" +shower +campground and I get
to www.lakelouise.com ... I follow link to the same LL campground (this time it does
not tell me there are no showers but I know there are not) and from there some 
more links to LL hostels but no more campsites so I go back to AV search output
and follow another link which gives me the same set of info ... the web seems
to be composed of people cutting-and-pasting other people's stuff !

I searched about 5 more of the AV search output based on titles, up to rank=30
and at this stage I've been searching for 30 minutes so I gave up.

  9. At a university in Glasgow, Scotland

No idea where Lake Louise was.....sorry!
search lake louise canada campground with yahoo
http://www.lakelouise.com/maps/rllmap2.htm
where under place to stay there is a link to  Lake Louise Campground:

http://www.lakelouise.com/lodging/lg-campground.shtml
with a very short description of the campground, not sure there are showers
let's look of rmore options.
search lake louise
http://www.igpublications.com/   link to accomodations:
http://www.igpublications.com/Accommodations/index.shtml

Going a bit outside looking for more choice nearby:

in http://www.discovertherockies.com/ there was a list of nearby (?) places
links to:
Campgrounds in Banff:
http://www.discoverbanff.com/WheretoStay/Campgrounds/

Campground in Jasper:
http://www.discoverjasper.com/WheretoStay/Campgrounds/

Campgrounds in Canmore:
  http://www.discovercanmore.com/WheretoStay/Campgrounds

Back Country lodges in case you liked somethign a bit more confortable but
still quite in touch with nature....
http://www.discovertherockies.com/LakeLouise/WheretoStay/BackCountryLodge/

British Columbia's Rockies:
http://www.discoverbc.com/BCsRockies/WheretoStay/Campgrounds/
non campgrounds with shower

Answer:

Campgrounds in Banff with showers:

    Johnston Canyon .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Flush Toilets *
    Location: 26 km W. of Banff townsite on Hwy. 1A
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-762-1581  Fax: 403-762-3380
    Services: N $16.00
    Credit Cards: VISA MC

    Tunnel Mountain Village I .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Flush Toilets *
    Location: 4 km N.E. of Banff townsite on Tunnel Mountain Rd.
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-762-1571  Fax: 403-762-3380
    Services: N $16.00
    Credit Cards: VISA MC

    Tunnel Mountain Village II .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Flush Toilets *
    Location: 2.5 km N.E. of Banff townsite on Tunnel Mountain Rd.
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-762-1570  Fax: 403-762-3380
    Services: P $ 19.00
    Credit Cards: VISA MC

    Two Jack Lakeside .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Flush Toilets *
    Location: 12 km N.E. of Banff townsite on Lake Minnewanka Road
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-762-1580  Fax: 403-762-3380
    Services: N $16.00
    Credit Cards: VISA MC

Campground in Jasper with shower:

    Folding Mountain Campground .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Flush Toilets *
    Location: 5 km east of Jasper Park East Gate on Hwy. 16
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-866-3737  Fax: 403-866-2164
    Services: N $14.00 PW $ 20.00 P $ 17.00
    Credit Cards: VISA MC

    Wapiti Campground .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Flush Toilets *
    Location: 5 km S. of Jasper townsite on Hwy. 93 - no reservations
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-852-6176
    Services: N $15.00 P $ 18.00

    Whistlers Campground .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Flush Toilets *
    Location: 3 km S. of Jasper townsite on Hwy. 93 - no reservations
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-852-6176
    Services: N $15.00 PWS $ 22.00 P $ 18.00

Campgrounds in Canmore with shower:

     Green Acres Motel & R.V. Park .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Laundry Facilities * Flush Toilets *
    Location: in Dead Man's Flats, 14.4 km east of Banff Park Gates
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-678-5344  Fax: 403-678-6691  TollLine: 1-800-820-5344
    Services: PW $ 18.00
    Credit Cards: AMEX VISA MC


    Restwell Trailer Park & Cabins .
    * Tap Water * Public Phone * Laundry Facilities * Flush Toilets *
    Location: in Canmore
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-678-5111
    Services: N $19.00 PWS $ 24.00 PW $ 22.00 P $ 20.00
    Credit Cards: VISA MC

    Rundle Mountain Campground .
    * Tap Water * Laundry Facilities * Flush Toilets *
    Location: in Canmore
    Open: Year-Round
    Phone: 403-678-1893
    Services: PWS $ 23.00 PW $ 19.00 T $ 18.00


 Back Country lodges (Lake Louise)

    Cathedral Mountain Lodge & Chalets .
    Cozy log cabins within a spectacular setting in the heart of the
    Canadian Rocky Mountain National Parks. Located just 15 minutes west of
Lake
    Louise, Banff National Park. Telephone - (250) 343-6442 or (403) 762-0514
    Tel: (250) 343-6442 Fax: (250) 343-6442
    Address: P.O. Box 40, Field, British Columbia V0A 1G0
    Email: Click here to send an Email (152)

    Emerald Lake Lodge .
    An authentic mountain retreat on the shores of renowned
    Emerald Lake, only 15 minutes west of Lake Louise. For those in search of
    luxurious peace and solitude, there is no other choice. Leave the world
behind.
    Tel: (403) 609-6199 Fax: (403) 609-6158 Toll Free: 1-800-663-6336
    Address: P.O. Box 10, Field, British Columbia, V0A 1G0
    Email: Click here to send an Email (76)

  10. Novice WWW searcher!
Place: San Diego, CA
Date: June 16, 1998

Search begun, 9:32 am (local time), on Infoseek

Query:	campgrounds Lake Louise
Clicked on "Banff campgrounds"
	Listing supplied names of four campgrounds within various 	distance of
Lake Louise, none with showers.
Clicked on "Blackhawk Waterways"
Clicked on "the great outdoors"

	No relevant information apparent, backed up

Clicked on "parks"
	message "failed to connect"

Gave up internet search at approx. 9:45 am, after finding no nearby
campgrounds with showers and at least 2-3 without them.

  11. Australia
Using a query re-formulation tool, the Hyperindex Browser (HiB)

        Hib + AltaVista
	o entered "Lake Louise"
	o showed "campgrounds" in refinements, but beam down failed since it
	  wasn't in the title; modified AltaVista search to 
          "Lake Louise campground showers"
	o goto first link shown "Banff National Park Campgrounds"
	  http://www.mistaya.com/banff_accommodations/hotels/bnpcampg.html
	o look at the bottom of the page at the table: no campgrounds in Lake
	  Louise itself, but there are showers at:
		Tunnel Mountain Trailer Court
		Tunnel Mountain Village 1
		Tunnel Mountain Village II
		Two Jack Lakeside
		Johnston Canyon

  12. At a university in Toronto, Canada

  Metacrawler query: campground Lake Louise

  Clicking on #4: "Lake Louise -- Campground"
    The Lake Louise Campground If you're coming to Lake Louise, then this
    is the place to stay.  Firewood is aplenty and hot dogs are readily ava
    http://www.lakelouise.com/lodging/pcamp.htm (Lycos) 

      Missing page at the site.  The error message contains a menu.
      Selecting "Lodging - Places to Stay".

      Clicking on "Lake Louise Campground".

	No mention of showers.  Phone number is (403) 522-3833.

      Clicking on "Hostel and Alpine Centre"

	Has showers, but isn't a campground.

      Nothing else on the list is likely to be a campground.  They all
      appear to be inns or hotels.  Back to Metacrawler list.

  Clicking on #1: "Banff National Park Campgrounds"

    List of campgrounds in Banff National Park with brief descriptions.
    Lake Louise is apparently in Banff.  According to the description, it
    has no showers.

    Campgrounds in Banff listed as having showers:
      Two Jack Lakeside Campground
      Johnston's Canyon Campground

    It's about 33km from Johnston's Canyon to Lake Louise.  Not too far
    for a shower.

  13. At another university in Glasgow, Scotland

Query to Altavista: Lake Louise
I chose document 2 from the retrieved document list, and found that Lake
Louise is in Alberta, Canada, near the area of Banff.

Query: Alberta + campground
Chose document 1, then navigated to the server's homepage. Choosing the
Banff area, I could query the server to give me campgrounds in the area
that have showers. The full list with the campgrounds at the Banff area is
at:
http://www.AlbertaHotels.ab.ca/html/Campgrounds/Alberta's%20Rockies/Banff%20and%0Area/index.html

Of these campgrounds, only 5 have showers:
*	Tunnel Mountain Trailer Court
*	Tunnel Mountain Village I & II
*	Two Jack Lakeside
*	Johnstone Canyon

I cannot say which of these campgrounds are around Lake Louise, but they
are the only campgrounds in that area that have showers.

  14. Elsewhere in Ottawa, Canada, using AltaVista ...

ANSWER:		9 hours and 20 minutes
Queries:	1
Links:		4 for the answer
		5 additional for finding the map

Time:		5 Minutes for the answer
		15 additional minutes to establish (roughly) the distance
			from the campgrounds to Lake Louise.
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I'm looking for the names of campgrounds around Lake Louise (Canada) that have showers. 

Query: campgrounds "Lake Louise" Canada shower
Followed:  http://seealberta.com/camp/lcamprockies.htm
	-> http://seealberta.com/camp/dcamprockies.htm#Louise

	List of campgrounds with number of sites.  
	All in the Rockies in Alberta. 
	no mention of amenities.  
	Those labelled Lake Louise are all in Banff.

Followed:  http://www.canadianrockies.net/banff/bnppark.html
	-> http://www.canadianrockies.net/banff/bnpcampg.html

	
            Tunnel Mountain Trailer Court  Shower                             
            Tunnel Mountain Village I	Shower
            Tunnel Mountain Village II 	Shower
            Two Jack Lakeside		Shower
            Johnston Canyon		Shower

	These are all the campgrounds with showers in Banff.  
	No verification of distance to Lake Louise however.


Followed:  http://www.worldweb.com/parkscanada-banff/
	-> http://www.worldweb.com/parkscanada-banff/campgrou.html

	Same information as above.

Looking for a map of Banff: 
return to http://www.worldweb.com/parkscanada-banff/
	-> http://www.worldweb.com/parkscanada-banff/locdir_e.html
	-> http://www.worldweb.com/ParksCanada-Banff/Maps/vgmap2.gif

	Campgrounds labeled 7, 8, 9, and 10 are nearest to Lake Louise
	Campgrounds labeled 6 and 11 are close but a bit further away

Looking for Campground labels:
	comparing the descriptions of the campgrounds

	  11, 12, and 13 are the ones that are "north of LL" and 
          have no showers.

	  Campground 6 is on Johnston's creek and seems to be the 
	  one with showers on Johnston's canyon.



  15. France

Metacrawler: Lake Louise campground
--> 31 results
--> 1st: Lake Louise -- Campground 


This server seems to be broken.
--> 3rd: Banff National Park Campgrounds
http://www.mistaya.com/banff_accommodations/hotels/bnpcampg.html

This page lists campgrounds in Banff National Park (Canada).  The
"Lake Louise Campground" (tents & trailor) does not have a shower.
Still there might be others close to Lake Loise.  I need to find a
map. I follow a link on this page to the canadian rockies server:
http://www.canadianrockies.net/
There is a link "Map".
http://www.canadianrockies.net/convention_planner/General_Info.html
etc.. eventually I find a map of Lake Louise:
http://www.canadianrockies.net/Maps/louise.pdf
The map confirms that there are only two campgrounds (tents &
trailors) near Lake Louise.  

So, the answer is: There are NO campgrounds with showers near lake
luise.

(15 minutes)

  16. Saarbrucken, Germany 
22 June 1998, 19:20-21:20 p.m.

AltaVista: 8 I'm looking for the names of campgrounds around Lake
Louise (Canada) that have showers.

- first result www.gov.ab.ca/~env/nrs/parks/pl.html (Alberta
Provincial Parks) does not contain required information

- third result www.desertusa.com/arches/du_arc_camp.html (Arches NP
Camping & Lodging) does not contain required info

AltaVista: +campground +"Lake Louise" shower

- first result www.lakelouise.com/lodging/pcamp.htm (Lake Louise --
Campground)

- I find a page with the notice "we've messed up" and a