Ottawa, Canada
(4:40): issue query to Yahoo -> wine australia
interesting area:
Regional: Countries: Australia: Business and Economy: Companies:
Beverages: Alcoholic: Wine
and a direct link to Wine of Australia, the wine-industry's site
(http://www.wineaustralia.com.au)
Explore Yahoo category first: follow sublink /Wineries/ and find link to
'penfolds' winery.
(4:44) go to http://www.penfolds.com.au
Browse around their site for a few minutes, decide to have AltaVista
search for a map on their site with the query - >
host: www.penfolds.com.au map
No results. (4:49)
Decide to explore 'wineaustralia.com.au' first.
For maps (on http://www.wineaustralia.com.au/frame/searchregion_fr.html)
they want to know which part of Australia you're looking for, so I check
the penfolds site and find the citation
"Penfolds owns about 500ha (1200 acres) of vineyards spread through all
the-major premium winegrape-growing districts of South Australia. There
are Penfolds vineyards in the Barossa Valley, the Clare Valley, the Eden
Valley (higher up and adjacent to the Barossa), the McLaren Vale just
south of Adelaide, and in Coonawarra in the far south-east of the State.
Grapes are also purchased from Padthaway, a major-vineyard area 100km
north of Coonawarra." (http://www.penfolds.com.au/range.html) (4:52)
Find Penfolds location on Coonawarra map, and on Barossa map.
Not satisfied, though, and I return to Penfolds site for further
(manual) exploration (5:01).
System near-crash ('spin-drying) delays things about 10 minutes
Explore Penfolds site a few pages more, am almost sure there's no map
there.
(5:18) Go to AltaVista with query -> magill vineyard "metropolitan area"
adelaide
First two hits look interesting, but http://www.wine.com.au (/magill.htm
and /pen_vmag.htm) does not respond (link is from '96, so may have
disappeared).
(5:22) Decide to go to http://www.yahoo.com.au and search for 'wine',
select
http://www.yahoo.com.au/Regional/Countries/Australia/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Beverages/Alcoholic/Wine
(5:24) http://www.auswine.com.au does not respond,
http://www.winetitles.com.au/wineonline.html does not provide good maps
(5:29) http://www.thegrape.com.au (nothing - online wine-shop)
(5:32) http://www.australianwines.com
Find map on http://www.australianwines.com/regions/sa.html with Adelaide
(where the magill estate is), Eden Valley, McLaren Vale and Clare.
Although Penfolds is not explicitly mapped, this is enough for me since
I'm growing hungry (and thirsty!) - call it a day.
(5:35) Three answers:
http://www.australianwines.com/regions/sa.html
http://www.wineaustralia.com.au/regions/lmap.region_3_21EA.gif
http://www.wineaustralia.com.au/regions/lmap.region_4_B449.gif
Call it a day, case tentatively closed.
Place: Dublin, Ireland
Date: June 11th 1998
Time: 3:00pm (local time)
Started search using Fusion
Query: "penfold's winery" australia
Clicked on #3 "Penfolds Wines Australia"
http://www.penfolds.com
Skimmed through site, no maps. States that main production centre is
in Nuriootpa in Barossa Valley, while the original is the Magill
Vineyard in Adelaide, South Australia. It's 8km from the city centre
in the surburb of Magill, entrance on Penfold Road.
somewhere in the UK
12/6/98 start time12.20am finish time 12.45pm
Load bookmark INfo search - travel channal
went to maps link
went to Mercators maps, avoided the australian rail timetable as i
knew it has only timetables and no further links Went to search
realised I need to know where penfold's winery is! searched for -
australia, winery, wines (case insensitive, all of the words) No
results searched for - australia, winery, wines (case insensitive, any
of the words) No results tried 'links and contacts' think this site is
too 'collectors map's' type. I need something with food and drink
couldn't take bookmark on world atlas so tried geography from the
mercator's page clicked Austrilia clicked search went to winery no
penfold in selections available also unable to put in penfold clicked
on search typed penfold and got six results one being
http://www.winetitles.com.au/varietals/cabernet/duval.html Q.E.D
Place: Aberdeen, Scotland
Date: 12. June 1998
Time: 2:30PM (local time)
searched through yahoo for Australia - wineries.
found penfolds winery.
Clicked on this url - however could not access the server,
www.penfolds.com.au gave up.
Iowa City, Iowa, USA
8 hours for 10 queries over 2 afternoons
o Submit to Altavista the query: +map +Penfold +Wineries +Australia
o This query returns 4 matches.
o The second and third links is the page that are pointers to
Barrosa valley: South Australia
(http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/barossa_valley.html). Click on the
second link
o This page has a pointer to Barrosa valley wineries map
(http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/valley_map.html), click on it. The
map is displayed in a new window.
o Look down in the main page of Barrosa Valley. There is a pointer
to Barrosa wineries. (http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/wineries.html)
Click on it.
o This page contains the list of wineries
Find Penfold's in this page. It is the number 38. This also has
information about the schedule to visit the winery.
Tokyo, Japan
June 12nd, 1998 Local time
By default, search on Altavista
12:50 AM
Query : Australia penfold's winery location map
->1 minute
clicked on 1:
1. The Magill Estate - Cellar Door tours
[URL:
www.penfolds.com.au/magill/tour.html]
Home
Penfolds
-> no information
Wine links
Australian wine industry official site
winery
p
penfold (coonawara)
regions
select coonawara
region map !!
Result : map on the region
Using a custom front-end tool AltaGCL
Waterloo, 13 June 15:21
sidetracked exploring penfold's web site which has no map! (10 min)
tried "autralia" "wineries" "map" Used Infoseek and much browsing to
find:
http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/wineries.html [key]
http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/valley_map.html [map]
in retrospect, altagcl penfold* wine* map worked fine.
Total time: 19 minutes
Waterloo, Canada
Using a custom front-end tool AltaGCL
15 June, 9:43am
query: ("penfold"..("vineyard*" or "winery")) and "australia"
and ("map" or "directions")
Looking through the solutions, I found the Penfold homepage.
I then wasted 10 minutes trying to find a map on their site.
Eventually I realized that this was a waste of time.
query: "penfold" and "wineries" and "australia"
found: URL : http://www.about-australia.com/sa/saatt.htm
time: 2 minutes
info: Penfold winery is in the Barossa Valley
Change strategy, let's look for a map of the valley and hope that
it shows us where the winery is located.
query: "barrossa valley" and "map"
found: URL : http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/barossa_valley.html
gives: south australia map showing the location of the valley
found: http://www.nanou.com.au/barossa/map.html
http://www.nanou.com.aux/barossa/wineries.html
(the second link is the key to the map which was found by playing
with the URL)
The total time is pretty high because I was using a monochrome
xterminal and I looked at a few other maps before finding the
one listed. The maps were impossible to read in the form given
and "xv" was used to magnify them...
total time: 40 minutes
At a university in Glasgow, Scotland
(using more sophisticated techniques)
there appears to be two wineries of that name in different regions.
Search for "map wineries Australia" with Metacrawler result:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wilmap/SEARCH.HTM
Search for wineries and continue on that trail until you get to the actual
map.
Maps can be selected from:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wilmap/SA45.HTML
Answer: go to http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wilmap/SA45.HTML and select the
area you wnat to visit, they will provide teh map you need..... in
particular go to http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wilmap/SA140.HTML for the
Penfold winery
Novice WWW searcher!
Place: San Diego, CA
Date: June 16, 1998
Query: Penfold Winery
Click on "www.penfolds.com.au"
Click on "Penfold's Magill Estate"
Click on "Range"
Click on "Home"
Click on "Australian Wine Growing Regions"
Click on "Wines"
(Back, Back, Back, Back)
Click on "maps"
Click on "MapQuest"
Click on "Interactive Atlas"
Message "map data coming soon" - page not ready yet.
Gave up internet search at 9:30 am, decided to go to the local Triple A
office for the maps.
Australia
Using a query re-formulation tool, the Hyperindex Browser (HiB)
3. HiB + Anzwers (chose to run the HiB off the Anzwers search engine
as this is the major Australian search engine)
o entered "penfolds" which produced "penfolds wines australia" as
one of the query refinements. Used this to beam down which led
directly to the Penfolds Winery home page - no map showing
its location
o using "local" knowledge then used "barossa valley" as query
o beamed down using the refinement "barossa valley weintal"
- got nowhere
o then beamed down using the refinement "australia barossa valley"
The first document abstract titled "Vineyards - SA - Barossa valley"
looked highly relevant, but when activating the link received
the error message "server does not have DNS entry"
o Then scanned downwards through the document abstracts and entry
number 41 titled "Excite Travel: Barossa Valley" contained the
keyword "maps". Followed the link and received a page.
o Followed the link under "Barossa Regional Guide" - could find
no maps
o went back to the Excite page
o followed the link under "Barossa Valley" - the followed the link
under "Barossa wineries" which lead to a relevant page:
http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/wineries.html
Place : Nacsis. Tokyo Japan
Date : June 18, 1998
Time : 2:30 PM (Japan Time)
Started search on Netscape Navigator
Query : Australia Penfold's winery
Clicked on #7 " Winery Links"
Clicked on #21 "Penfolds Winery (Australia)"
Clicked on "The Magill Estate"
"located withen the metropolitan area of suburban Adeleid, the south
Australian
State Capital"
Clicked every bottun
But I can't find address anywhere.
Query : "Map Australia Adeleid"
Clicked on "World Travel Net - World Travel Atlas"
Clicked on "Australia - Australia- Adeleid"
But I can't find winery on map
Finish Time : 3:30PM
At a university in Toronto, Canada
Trying URL www.penfolds.com.au.
Clicked all over the web site. No map.
They suggest visiting the Magill Estate. The text implies that
it is not a main production vineyard, but it is "Penfold wines
spiritual home" and it appears to be targeted at tourists. I'll
assume that the original question was posed by a potential tourist.
The estate is "very much part of suburban Adelaide, just 8km or a
15-20 minute taxi ride from the city centre." Should be easy to
find a map of Adelaide showing the estate.
Metacrawler query: Adelaide map
Clicking on #2: "Excite Travel: Adelaide, South Australia"
Clicking around. Nothing useful.
Clicking on #8: "Partial Map of Adelaide, South Australia"
Directions on how to get to a hotel. Not useful.
Clicking on #11: "Adelaide Map South Australia"
Ugly, low-resolution map.
Expanding Metacrawler query: Adelaide map wineries
Clicking on #1: "Barossa Valley: South Australia"
(http://mtx.net.au/~exy/Barossa_Valley.HTML)
Clicking on "Barossa Valley Map".
(http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/valley_map.html)
A map appeared in a separate window. It' a sketch map covered with
location numbers but with no key.
Looking for a key. Clicking on "Barossa Wineries".
(http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/wineries.html)
Appears to be a key to the map. "PENFOLD/KAISER STUHL" is #38.
This is not the Magill estate. Will it do?
Clicking on #3 "Touring Guide: Adelaide".
Object not found.
Clicking on #14.
(http://users.wantree.com.au/~astroman/adelaide.htm)
A history of Adelaide. No map.
(Here follows a half-hour of fruitless searching that I'm not willing
to take the time to transcribe. I couldn't find a map showing the
Magill estate, but it's eight miles east of Adelaide in the town
of Magill.)
At a university somewhere in Massachusetts, USA
Using multisearch
Entered "I need a map showing the location of the Penfold's winery in
Australia." into multisearch.
>From InfoSeek, went to
http://www.penfolds.com.au/
Searching around this site, there would appear to be no map on it, but the
pages say the main vineyard in in Adelaide.
>From WebCrawler, went to
http://www.csu.edu.au/australia/sa/sa.html, no good
Entered "map of suburban Adelaide Australia." into multisearch
>From Excite, went to
http://www.wilmap.com.au/~wilmap/ADSUBS6.HTML
This shows where 'Magill' is, the location of Penfold's winery. The map
doesn't show Penfolds road though.
At another university in Glasgow, Scotland
Query to Altavista: Penfold winery
Chose Document 1 from the retrieved document list. From this document, I
found out that the location of the winery is in suburban Adelaide, and that
also the name used now for it now is Magill.
>From this document, I followed a link to the Australian winemakers
homepage, where there were maps of Australian wine growing regions.
I chose the region of Adelaide, and found a map with the location of the
Magill (or Penfold) winery on it. The URL is:
http://www.australianwines.co.uk/regions/sa.html
Elsewhere in Ottawa, Canada, using AltaVista ...
ANSWER: http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/valley_map.html
Queries: 7
Links: 23
Time: 40 minutes (including recording time)
I would have been happy with the address
and directions which I found before the map
----------------------------------------------------
Query: "Penfold s winery" Australia map location directions
rare words and map cognates
Found out: "Penfold s winery" occurs on only 2 pages on AltaVista
directions is too common a word with wrong meanings
----------------------------------------------------
Query: +"penfold s winery" Australia map location directions
Found out: Way too specific.
Followed Link: 55 restaurants
The query words did not appear on the newsletter found.
----------------------------------------------------
Query: +penfold* +winery Australia map location directions
Found: Many Australian pages with tourist information
(This format below means I followed a chain of links and backed out)
Followed Link: http://www.home.aone.net.au/chrisa/
-> http://www.penfolds.com.au/ (Penfolds Winery)
-> http://www.penfolds.com.au/range.html (The Range)
-> http://www.penfolds.com.au/vineyards.html#magill (Magill)
No obvious maps, back to the AltaVista results.
Followed Link:
http://www.travelaustralia.com.au/do_see_lists/do_see_re_5040p3_list.html
-> http://www.travelaustralia.com.au/see_contact.works?id=52664
(Penfolds Winery)
Found: Address but no map, collect geographic information
In South Australia
Tanunda Rd
Nuriootpa
Followed: http://www.sacentral.sa.gov.au/shopping/wine.htm
-> http://www.wineaustralia.com.au/
-> http://www.wineaustralia.com.au/frame/searchwinery_fr.html
----------------------------------------------------
Query: +penfold* +winery "south australia" nuriootpa tanunda map
location directions
Followed: http://www.about-australia.com/sa/satown.htm
-> http://www.tourism.sa.gov.au/Touring_Guide/barossa.htm
not found
----------------------------------------------------
Go to MapQuest.com
search for nuriootpa, australia
Map to Nuriootpa is available but street level map not available.
----------------------------------------------------
Back to previous AV hits list for more links
Followed: http://www.penfolds.com.au/events2.html
-> http://www.penfolds.com.au/grange/clinic.html
Followed: http://www.finalword.com/Touring_Australia/gta_www/gta_186a.htm
-> http://www.wordnet.co.uk/wine2.htm
-> http://www.penfolds.com.uk
Add Barossa to key words
----------------------------------------------------
Query: +penfold* barossa "south australia" nuriootpa tanunda map
location directions
Followed: http://www.flynwa.com/wg/places/Australia/Adelaide/BGVCBD.htm
Found: Explicit directions to the valley
Other place names:
Lyndoch,
"Port Wakefield"
Followed: http://www.atn.com.au/sa/south/atract-c.htm
----------------------------------------------------
Query: barossa "port wakefield" lyndoch "south australia" nuriootpa
tanunda map location directions
Drop 'penfold' entirely and add all geographical names
Followed: http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/wineries.html
-> http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/valley_map.html
France
Metacrawler: Query: map location "Penfold's winery"
--> NO results.
Metacrawler: Penfold winery
--> 21 results.
--> 2nd: http://www.penfolds.com.au/
Penfolds webserver. I surf for about 5 minutes. No Map.
Metacrawler: Penfold winery map
--> 2 results
Nothing useful.
Metacrawler: map penfold
--> 28 references.
--> 1st: http://mtx.net.au/~exy/Barossa_Valley.HTML
title: Barossa Valley: South Australia
Shows a map of australia, indicating where Barossa Valley is. A link
(Barossa Valley Map: http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/valley_map.html) on
the same page points to a more detailed map of the valley. Another
link on this page (Barossa wineries) list all wineries (including
Penfold) and an index, where to find them on the detailed map.
RESULT:
http://mtx.net.au/~exy/Barossa_Valley.HTML and
http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/valley_map.html
(15 minutes)
Another Australian searcher...
[9:45am Aus EST]
SIGIR'98 web site [from bookmark]
-=> "Tourism"
-=> "travel guide"
-=> "Books & Maps"
-=> "Victoria's Great Outdoors" Dead end.
-=> "Tourism Victoria" [slow to come up...]
Try Anzwers search [type in www.anzwers.com.au]: "Penfold"
Too general. Try: "Penfold Winery"
-=> 1. "Penfolds Magill Estate"
-=> Wander site for five minutes. Nada, except winery is in Adelaide.
type in "www.wine.com.au". No such URL
Try Anzwers search [type in www.anzwers.com.au]: "Penfold Winery map"
-=> 2. "Barossa Valley Wineries"
-=> "See Baross Valley Map" [new window popped up]
See other window for key: Penfold's is #38 on the map. Done.
[10:00am Aus EST.]
Saarbrucken, Germany
22 June 1998, 19:20-21:20 p.m.
Metacrawler (find all words): map "Penfold's winery"
- no results
Metacrawler (find all words): map Penfold
- second result http://www.dougbarker.clara.net/
(Penfold Adoration Site) was off-topic
- first result http://mtx.net.au/~exy/Barossa_Valley.HTML
(Barossa Valley) contains a link to the Barossa Valley map:
map contains only numbers, but no place names
- back up to http://mtx.net.au/~exy/Barossa_Valley.HTML (Barossa Valley)
- follow a link to http://atpubs.com.au/barossa/wineries.html
(Barossa Valley Wineries) Penfold's is winery #38
- go back to Barossa Valley map. I assume that #38 on the map
(near Nuriootpa) is Penfold's.
- go back to Barossa Valley wineries to confirm that Penfold's is
indeed near Nuriootpa.
