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Ottawa, Canada
(12:46) query Alta Vista -> denmark train
leads me to somebody's link page:
but his "great links" ("...
if you are interested in trains. You can also find an interactive
timetable that is updated every 3. minutes! Or plan your trip by train in
Denmark.") has perished. Link collections are interesting navigation
tools but tend to be unreliable.
Other links from the AltaVista-results include ScanRail and EuRail
passes - these sites contain no links to timetables.
(12:50): the Banestyrelsen homepage http://www.bane.dk/trafinfo/main.htm
appears to list only domestic trains.
(12:54) Site Copenhagen Now
mentions that the car ferry between Oslo and Copenhagen is operated by
DFDS (and takes 16 hrs, but I treat this information to be too vague and
it's for a *car* ferry).
(12:56): issue query to AltaVista -> denmark train copenhagen oslo +dfds
finds site http://www.sn.no/rl/op/og96/t/transport.html
Browse around for a while in the AltaVista results and find little
interesting stuff except the name of the Danish railway company: DSB.
Type www.dsb.dk and do find their homepage.
(13:06) Follow link to Rejseplan, fill in their form for a trip from
Kobenhavn to Oslo on a weekend day in July.
Find answers: 9:02 for the trains that leave at 22:05 from Copenhagen,
and 9:16 for the trains that leave at 12:29. Case closed (13:11).
Place: Dublin, Ireland
Date: June 11th 1998
Time: 3:00pm (local time)
Used Rail Europe site [http://www.raileurope.com/us/]
Takes 9 hours 20 minutes.
Place: Aberdeen, Scotland
Date: 12. June 1998
Time: 2:30PM (local time)
tried url address www.denmark.com.
holiday page. clicked for more information on denmark.
clicked on Copenhagan. could find nothing relevant.
clicked on transportation. could find nothing relevant.
Iowa City, Iowa, USA
8 hours for 10 queries over 2 afternoons
The answer of this query is easy once you have solved the previous
question.
o go to http://www.eurail.com/ticket.htm and simply type the name of
both cities.
o The answer is 10 hours:
From copenhagen to Oslo, one-way in either direction.
First Class Second Class Hours Via
$186.00 $116.00 10
Helsingborg-Goteborg-Kornsjo
I also tried the following:
o Search in Altavista with the following query: +Copenhagen +Oslo
+train
o The first two pages point to the timetable of
Hamburg-Copenhagen-Gothenburg-Oslo trains
(http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjek/rail/timetab/gothenborg2_tim.html)
o This table also shows that the time is about 9 and a half hours.
Tokyo, Japan
June 12nd, 1998 Local time
By default, search on Altavista
5:00 pm
(I am french !!)
go to :
http://web.sncf.fr
voyage,
horaires, prix,
services
horaires et prix
Result : 9h02min (departure 22:05, arrive 07:07)
Using a custom front-end tool AltaGCL
Waterloo, 15 June 17:31
altagcl copenhagen olso train hours -- nope
"copenhagen" and "oslo" and ("timetable" or "schedule" or "depart*")
-- air and stuff, then stalled.
"copenhagen" and "oslo" and "train" and ("timetable" or "schedule" or "depart*") -- very slow
copenhagen oslo train ... just tough it out
http://www.ehi.com/travel/ehi/norway/oslots.html
... but it doesn't say July, so I kept looking and found
www.raileurope.com
did a search for fares & schedules and got *exactly* what I wanted
http://www.raileurope.com/cgi-bin/fscgi.pl?F=Copenhagen&T=Oslo&C=US&M=7&D=15&Y=1998&submit.x=82&submit.y=10
Average travel time 9 hours, 20 minutes
Total time: 20 minutes
Waterloo, Canada
Using a custom front-end tool AltaGCL
June 16, 00:48am
query: "oslo" and "copenhagen" and "travel time"
First attempt to find the information here led to European railway
sites with some language problems ...
Went back and tried again to find a good source of information
found: URL : http://www.theo-physik.uni-kiel.de/general/visitors.html
follow the german railway information: http://www.bahn.de/home_e/f-engl.htm
follow a link for timetables
fill in the form to travel july 4, 1998 (saturday)
get 8:37 hours and 11:43 hours to Kobenhavn H
time: 15 minutes
Using Fusion2 - a
metasearch engine with marking of relevant documents and query
expansion.
Use Fusion2 with search copenhagen oslo train
28 URLs retrieved
rank=1 is a train timetable for hamburg-copenhagen-gothenburg-oslo
which is a personal page and it gives details
dep 0729 arr 1652
dep 1229 arr 2145
dep 2203 arr 0707
so we can get the time taken from that.
All trains are daily and EuroCity ... and have a meals trolly !
Bingo, in 4 minutes.
At a university in Glasgow, Scotland
using the same page as in previous search and typing the new query:
http://www.raileurope.com/cgi-bin/fscgi.pl?F=Copenhagen&T=Oslo&C=US&M=7&D=11&Y=1
998&submit.x=66&submit.y=9, asking for the timetable formCopehagen to Oslo
on a weekend in July:
Schedules effective 5/24/1998 until 9/26/1998. Fares shown are per person,
one way and valid from 1/1/1998 to 12/31/1998.
Routing 1: direct
From KOEBENHAVN
To OSLO S
First class fare $191.00
Second class fare $121.00
Average travel time 9 hours, 20 minutes
Distance 666 km / 416 miles
Answer: 666 km / 416 miles
Australia
Using a query re-formulation tool, the Hyperindex Browser (HiB)
o HiB using AltaVista - "copenhagen oslo" - nothing
o HiB using AltaVista - "copenhagen train" - nothing
o HiB using AltaVista - "copenhagen railway" - nothing
o AltaVista directly "copenhagen oslo train" - nothing
o Excite directly "copenhagen oslo train".
First item "Timetable for Hamburg - Copenhagen - Gothenborg - Oslo"
http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjek/rail/nsb/timetab/gothenborg2_tim.html
Everyday (including weekends) the train number 392 leaves Copenhagen
for Oslo at 2205 and arrives at 0707. It is the shortest time as it
is express for part of the way. There is no difference between
weekend times, nor seemingly for July in particular.
At a university in Toronto, Canada
Question #6 really helps with this.
Going to www.eurorail.com
Clicking on "Comprehensive European Train Schedules!".
Clicking on "European Rail Schedules".
Searching on...
From: Kobenhavn (thanks, again, to the list of city name spellings)
To: Oslo
Date: 11.07.98 (a weekend in July)
Time: 01:00 (the default)
Duration of travel is 9:02 to 14:20 depending on the departure time.
The scheduled time is generally under 10 hours.
At another university in Glasgow, Scotland
Date: 09/06/98
Time: 11 AM (local time)
Started search on Altavista
Query: +copenhagen +oslo
Clicked on #5 "Timetable for Hamburg-Copenhagen-Gothenborg-Oslo"
(http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjek/rail/timetab/gothenborg2_tim.html)
Calculated journey time to be roughly 9 hours from "unofficial" info on page
Decided to look for official timetables to confirm
Clicked on "timetables overview"
Clicked on "...official timetables. Click here for an overview."
Clicked on "Please move to the comprehensive European railway server"
(http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/misc/timetabl.html)
Clicked on European railway servers DNK
Clicked to move to new homepage (http://www.dsb.dk/din_rejse)
Recognised form as similar to one available for rail travel in Scotland
Entered date of travel as 040798, and starting and finishing stations in
English
Clicked on search button
Checked revised starting and finishing stations (translated English -> Danish)
Clicked on search button
Journey time between 9 hrs 2 mins and 9 hrs 40 mins, depending on time of
journey
Elsewhere in Ottawa, Canada, using AltaVista ...
ANSWER: 9 hours and 20 minutes
Queries: 0
Links: 1
Time: << 1 minute
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First step: Knowing what I know from the last query, I may be able
to use the same fill in form.
Copenhagen to Oslo, July 11, 1998 in US dollars
From
KOEBENHAVN
To OSLO S
First class fare $191.00
Second class fare $121.00
Average travel time 9 hours, 20 minutes
Distance 666 km / 416 miles
22:05 07:07 392-TRN
Sleeper Fares
Triple 2nd Cl $33.00 to $53.00
Sgl/Spl 1st Cl $75.00 to $142.00
Dbl 1st/2nd Cl $48.00 to $67.00
France
This one should be easy since I know already a good source for
European train schedules from the previous question:
http://www.raileurope.com/us/rail/fares_schedules/rfs_intro.htm
I fill in the form:
http://www.raileurope.com/cgi-bin/fscgi.pl?F=Copenhagen&T=Oslo&C=US&M=7&D=18&Y=1998&submit.x=65&submit.y=10
VOILA:
The response states:
9 hours 20 minutes average travel time
The schedule states:
9 hours 2 minutes
(1 minute)
Another Australian searcher...
[9:30am, Aus. EST]
Try an Altavista power search "train",
ranked on "europe point to point timetable oslo copenhagen"
-=> "1. Timetable for Hamburg - Copenhagen - Gothenborg - Oslo"
Ooops. Only valid to May 23, 1998. But there is a link to the
-=> NSB
-=> "The Norwegian State Railways on the Web"
Timing out!
<=-
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Anyway, during May, the daily trip left Copenhagen at 12:29,
and arrived at Oslo at 2145, including the ferry hop.
-=> "3. Hamburg Transportation"
[Because Hamburg was listed as part of the above service]
No good. The links point to the above site.
Try an Excite search "train timetable Oslo Copenhagen"
Item 1 is the above site; try "More like this"
Nothing.
Remember "rail.org" from previous search.
Huh? only a link to/auto-refresh to http://www.iex.net/!
Try an Excite search "europe rail timetable train"
-=> item 1. "Rail Schedules" nothing, at a quick glance
[later inspection revealed there *was* a link to schedules]
-=> item 2. "Rail Schedules"
-=> "Online Schedule" [-=> redirected to new page]
-=> "Search Connection"
Forms interface: Enter Copenhagen/Oslo, 4.07.98
-=> "Search Connection"
On Sat. 4th July, 1998, there appear to be two choices:
a 9 hour, 40 minute trip, or a 9 hour, 16 minute trip.
[9:45am Aus EST]
Saarbrucken, Germany
22 June 1998, 19:20-21:20 p.m.
I check the German railways timetable:
http://bahn.hafas.de/bin/db.s98/detect.exe/bin/db.s98/query.exe/e?
- there's a direct daytime train which takes 9:40 hrs, and a direct
night train which takes 9:02 hrs. on Sat 4-July and Sun 5-July.
Somewhere in the state of Maryland, USA
On a machine with only 8 megabytes of RAM
Started 8:21 am
Connected 8:22
On net: 8:23
Infoseek 8:24
Asked for:
Trains from Copenhagen; brought up Railtrack - travel - dead end 8:27
Under Best Bets - hit Travel in Europe; nothing in first 20 8:28
Tried new search - Trains from Copenhagen to Oslo
Hit: The Danish Links 8:31
Hit - Jubii- Danish search engine (only in Danish) 8:33
(Went to map to check on location of Oslo) 8:36
New Search - Scandinavian Train Travel
Brought up Scanrail passes 8:39
Tried Railroad Index--URL not found
New Search - Scandivanian railroad timetables
Hit Ax Minguin-PX Timetable - Dead end airplanes 8:44
Hit Copenhagen Now - TELEPHONE No, for railroad station
Advanced search didn't help 8:47
Went to Altavista
Asked for Scandinavian Train Timetables
Hit Realname - dead end
Hit Scanrail Pass in Scandinavian - Route not listed 9:00
Hit Henrik's travel page - Got trains in Estonia 9:05
Tried-- Train travel from Copenhagen to Oslo
Got Oslo Train Schedules 9:09
No. 1 - Alta Vista Oslo-Copenhagen 9:37 pm leaves
7:00 am arrives (you didn't specify whether or not it was a public
holiday- schedules different)
or
10:15 am leaves
8:18 pm arrives (approximately 10 hours)
Checked further in first 30 in Altavista
Tried Train travel '98 -- Sound of train whistles!!!!! Dead end 9:15
No. 59 in Altavista
Timetable for Oslo-Copenhagen
-- too complicated to read--no explanation code 9:20
Only have two hours a day on the Net--So quit after one. But fun, anyway
